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		<title>By: Zen and the Brain &#171; Zen Musings</title>
		<link>http://zenmusings.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/enlightened-teachers/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen and the Brain &#171; Zen Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speaking now to Vishal&#8217;s post Enlightened Teachers, Austin&#8217;s book is also moving testimony to his Zen teacher, Nanrei Kobori-Roshi, and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vishal Lama</title>
		<link>http://zenmusings.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/enlightened-teachers/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishal Lama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;For nearly everyone it’s pretty slow going, so just be patient, and keep at it! &lt;/em&gt;

Todd, I think you are onto something! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>For nearly everyone it’s pretty slow going, so just be patient, and keep at it! </em></p>
<p>Todd, I think you are onto something! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Todd Trimble</title>
		<link>http://zenmusings.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/enlightened-teachers/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Trimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Buddhist Geeks does look like a very nice website; thanks for bringing it to our attention! 

I can definitely relate to the theme of this post: for a number of years I was a member of a zendo led by an individual who is an officially recognized Dharma holder in the Rinzai Zen line, but which dissolved in large part due to reactions to his ethical behavior (basically thinking with his dick, not to put too fine a point on it) which led to a number of people getting badly hurt, like his wife and certain female members of the zendo. I had been part of this group for a number of years, and having invested a fair amount of time and money in the zendo, I too felt a certain sense of betrayal, and thought, &quot;Even if this guy has received Dharma transmission and is considered a master in the lineage, he still hasn&#039;t incorporated Zen in his daily life -- why should I continue following him and supporting him monetarily?&quot; And so, I didn&#039;t. 

Phrases like &quot;master&quot;, &quot;Dharma holder&quot;, &quot;enlightened beings&quot; are of course loaded, weighted down by people&#039;s projections and expectations, and for that reason need to be toned down a bit. You could say that although this guy was &quot;messed up&quot; from one point of view, from another it was quite apparent that he had tremendous phenomenological experience with meditation, and to this day I expect he had authentic and rigorously tested experience of &lt;i&gt;kensho&lt;/i&gt;. I have no doubt whatsoever that I could have learned a great deal more from this guy had the zendo (or I!) continued. 

People who have fully taken the inner meaning of Zen into their minute-by-minute lives are naturally extremely rare, and generally speaking, one has to just accept that and ourselves as we are: &quot;screwed-up&quot; human beings, but if we work at it, there is the possibility of waking up a bit. I&#039;d say there are people you can still learn from even if they mess up from time to time, and anyway: bottom line is that it all starts at home; don&#039;t worry about other people&#039;s screw-ups. For nearly everyone it&#039;s pretty slow going, so just be patient, and keep at it! 

Hm... maybe I&#039;m trying to tell myself something! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Buddhist Geeks does look like a very nice website; thanks for bringing it to our attention! </p>
<p>I can definitely relate to the theme of this post: for a number of years I was a member of a zendo led by an individual who is an officially recognized Dharma holder in the Rinzai Zen line, but which dissolved in large part due to reactions to his ethical behavior (basically thinking with his dick, not to put too fine a point on it) which led to a number of people getting badly hurt, like his wife and certain female members of the zendo. I had been part of this group for a number of years, and having invested a fair amount of time and money in the zendo, I too felt a certain sense of betrayal, and thought, &#8220;Even if this guy has received Dharma transmission and is considered a master in the lineage, he still hasn&#8217;t incorporated Zen in his daily life &#8212; why should I continue following him and supporting him monetarily?&#8221; And so, I didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Phrases like &#8220;master&#8221;, &#8220;Dharma holder&#8221;, &#8220;enlightened beings&#8221; are of course loaded, weighted down by people&#8217;s projections and expectations, and for that reason need to be toned down a bit. You could say that although this guy was &#8220;messed up&#8221; from one point of view, from another it was quite apparent that he had tremendous phenomenological experience with meditation, and to this day I expect he had authentic and rigorously tested experience of <i>kensho</i>. I have no doubt whatsoever that I could have learned a great deal more from this guy had the zendo (or I!) continued. </p>
<p>People who have fully taken the inner meaning of Zen into their minute-by-minute lives are naturally extremely rare, and generally speaking, one has to just accept that and ourselves as we are: &#8220;screwed-up&#8221; human beings, but if we work at it, there is the possibility of waking up a bit. I&#8217;d say there are people you can still learn from even if they mess up from time to time, and anyway: bottom line is that it all starts at home; don&#8217;t worry about other people&#8217;s screw-ups. For nearly everyone it&#8217;s pretty slow going, so just be patient, and keep at it! </p>
<p>Hm&#8230; maybe I&#8217;m trying to tell myself something! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vishal Lama</title>
		<link>http://zenmusings.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/enlightened-teachers/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishal Lama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vince,

It is awfully nice of you to leave a feedback here and it &lt;em&gt;is &lt;/em&gt; really great having a &quot;Buddhist Geek&quot; share his thoughts on a topic that is so central to one&#039;s practice. I used to find almost all accounts of Buddha&#039;s enlightenment completely antithetical to science, which is of course a marvelous achievement of modern human thought: one cannot simply give up science to believe in supernatural events just like that, after all! Reading Daniel is very refreshing, on the other hand. Here is someone who makes sense! I have just begun reading Daniel&#039;s book, and I intend to incorporate his &quot;practical tips&quot; into my own practice now.

Once again, thanks for your comment. And kudos to your team members and you for doing such an excellent job on Buddhist Geeks! :)

Best,
Vishal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vince,</p>
<p>It is awfully nice of you to leave a feedback here and it <em>is </em> really great having a &#8220;Buddhist Geek&#8221; share his thoughts on a topic that is so central to one&#8217;s practice. I used to find almost all accounts of Buddha&#8217;s enlightenment completely antithetical to science, which is of course a marvelous achievement of modern human thought: one cannot simply give up science to believe in supernatural events just like that, after all! Reading Daniel is very refreshing, on the other hand. Here is someone who makes sense! I have just begun reading Daniel&#8217;s book, and I intend to incorporate his &#8220;practical tips&#8221; into my own practice now.</p>
<p>Once again, thanks for your comment. And kudos to your team members and you for doing such an excellent job on Buddhist Geeks! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Vishal</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Horn</title>
		<link>http://zenmusings.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/enlightened-teachers/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vishal,

Having benefited tremendously from Daniel’s perspective and having had made real progress by following his suggestions, I can say that his perspective is indeed empowering, realistic, and useful. It does cut through most of the crap, and in it’s place gives something that is absolutely doable. As one of Daniel’s good friends (a fellow arhant) was fond of saying, “If you do the Buddha’s practice you will get enlightened.” It doesn’t get more straight-forward than that. :)

Best,

-Vince Horn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vishal,</p>
<p>Having benefited tremendously from Daniel’s perspective and having had made real progress by following his suggestions, I can say that his perspective is indeed empowering, realistic, and useful. It does cut through most of the crap, and in it’s place gives something that is absolutely doable. As one of Daniel’s good friends (a fellow arhant) was fond of saying, “If you do the Buddha’s practice you will get enlightened.” It doesn’t get more straight-forward than that. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>-Vince Horn</p>
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